In the discussion, conducted by critic Jody Rosen, he breaks down the evolution of his craft from street chronicler to veteran artist.

JAY emphasized that older artists should make music authentic to their current lives rather than trying to replicate “young music,” which he believes feels inauthentic. He talked about the Difficulty of 4:44, noting that writing 4:44 was his toughest challenge because of the vulnerability and honesty required to discuss his family and personal shortcomings.

He described Beyoncé as an “underrated songwriter” and an amazing producer, highlighting her technical contributions to music. He also advised artists to never fight against the future, citing adaptability and staying true to one’s story as the keys to longevity.

And he described his songwriting process as a “flow state ” that is often difficult to explain, moving beyond just metaphors to focus on rhythm and storytelling